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17-05 Reset and RoM's.
00:22:14 - 21-05
General Comments & Major Rumors
04:40:36 - 03-04
Anonymous at 01:10:15 on 02/04:
Basically yes, check the Omerta for iOS /Android shizzle thread.
Rijst at 15:32:01 on 01/04:
So, I just have been reading through most of Brando's posts in the 4.6 thread and from what I understood he wants $75,000 for some kind of app? From the omerta community? After making this game (which was quite decent tbh) into an abomination?
some clarification please.
Thanks in advance
edit: I take it "Omerta: City of gangsters" didn't do too well ;)
So, I just have been reading through most of Brando's posts in the 4.6 thread and from what I understood he wants $75,000 for some kind of app? From the omerta community? After making this game (which was quite decent tbh) into an abomination?
some clarification please.
Thanks in advance
edit: I take it "Omerta: City of gangsters" didn't do too well ;)
Basically yes, check the Omerta for iOS /Android shizzle thread.
Surely nobody thinks that we had anything to do with Omerta City of Gangsters?
General Comments & Major Rumors
04:38:31 - 03-04
Redspeert at 17:36:39 on 02/04:
Message to Brando.
I want to ask you why should people donate anything to your game? Given the attitude and lack of quality in your co-workers.
I joined #help as my donate code that I bought with paypal didn't show up, I then proceded to pm one of your crew members to ask if there was any chanse for help as the channel had 3 people waiting for help, and it had been 15min since the last guy got helped. What I got was this
[19:30:27] <04@Maffiajuice> !done Redspeert dont come to my pm
Further questions in pm did not help anything, as I got no answer nor any help.
Why should we, the players of omerta, be any intrested in giving your game money when this is the way omerta treats people who pay your sallary? Any slight will to donate to your kickstarter I had is now removed, and I don't really see any point in donating anything.
Message to Brando.
I want to ask you why should people donate anything to your game? Given the attitude and lack of quality in your co-workers.
I joined #help as my donate code that I bought with paypal didn't show up, I then proceded to pm one of your crew members to ask if there was any chanse for help as the channel had 3 people waiting for help, and it had been 15min since the last guy got helped. What I got was this
[19:30:27] <04@Maffiajuice> !done Redspeert dont come to my pm
Further questions in pm did not help anything, as I got no answer nor any help.
Why should we, the players of omerta, be any intrested in giving your game money when this is the way omerta treats people who pay your sallary? Any slight will to donate to your kickstarter I had is now removed, and I don't really see any point in donating anything.
I can't comment on that out of context statement but if you come to me on FB I will help you to get your issue addressed.
General Comments & Major Rumors
04:37:36 - 03-04
Anonymous at 23:02:35 on 02/04:
ok
Mickay at 22:37:23 on 02/04:
I read the comments on OB for the first time in what... 3 years... and 2 of the top comments are Redspeert and McGee. I wonder if Brando is afraid of losing his player base to old age.
I read the comments on OB for the first time in what... 3 years... and 2 of the top comments are Redspeert and McGee. I wonder if Brando is afraid of losing his player base to old age.
ok
Brando's nurse woke Brando from his afternoon nap and told him about this suggestion, to which Brando replied 'Sage? But that's a herb, isn't it?'
25-03 4.6
03:23:05 - 03-04
Anonymous at 02:50:54 on 03/04:
Two suggestions to avoid scripting:
1.- When you reach Assassin rank you stop receiving rp from crimes attempts/cars (you can give more rp for group crimes so it wouldn't be that hard to reach bruglione).
Two suggestions to avoid scripting:
1.- When you reach Assassin rank you stop receiving rp from crimes attempts/cars (you can give more rp for group crimes so it wouldn't be that hard to reach bruglione).
Actually I really like this idea. What do others think?
Very easy to organise as well...
Anonymous at 02:50:54 on 03/04:
2.- Make narcs/booze a group activity.
2.- Make narcs/booze a group activity.
Obviously very similar and I also like - but can you explain how this might work.
I am eager to know what others on this forum think of these suggestions. I sort of expect them to be un-popular.
Would it lead to mass-duping up to Assoc then mass-Assoc wars?
Naturally 'no idea/suggestion if foolproof'...
25-03 4.6
02:45:07 - 03-04
So who supports the bid?
I suppose that whatever you say, some of you think it is a good idea. Hopefully those of you who do, will say so and those of you who don't will be objective about 'why not'
Omerta Mobile FB page
I suppose that whatever you say, some of you think it is a good idea. Hopefully those of you who do, will say so and those of you who don't will be objective about 'why not'
25-03 4.6
02:39:46 - 03-04
Anonymous at 15:16:08 on 02/04:
And again, you end up contradicting yourself.
Brando: I agree lackeys are a problem, and we need to find a way to get rid off them. They have served tbeir purpose, forcing scripts outof business, but now they need to go. Yadda, yadda, yadda.
That was Brando's message a few days ago.
Now he agrees (and rightly so), with somebody who doesn't believe anybody in their right mind would start to play manual again.
And again, you end up contradicting yourself.
Brando: I agree lackeys are a problem, and we need to find a way to get rid off them. They have served tbeir purpose, forcing scripts outof business, but now they need to go. Yadda, yadda, yadda.
That was Brando's message a few days ago.
Now he agrees (and rightly so), with somebody who doesn't believe anybody in their right mind would start to play manual again.
I agree with someone criticising 'shoot the bottle' – I don't follow his football team and love his girlfriend, mother and dog though – please don't think that if I agree with one thing you say (anyone says) That I agree with everything a person says!
Anonymous at 15:16:08 on 02/04:
So, let's see.
People won't play manually anymore, and lackeys have to go.
I think, I found the solution, you don't want people to play anymore at all.
So, let's see.
People won't play manually anymore, and lackeys have to go.
I think, I found the solution, you don't want people to play anymore at all.
If you think that I think that you are silly.
Anonymous at 15:16:08 on 02/04:
Ok, that could have been concluded already from the way you've been running things.
On a seperate note, you have become awfully quite, when we started to speculate about your "2 milion email addresses". You could at least have done something about our concern, that you keep an archive of long gong user's email addresses.
Ok, that could have been concluded already from the way you've been running things.
On a seperate note, you have become awfully quite, when we started to speculate about your "2 milion email addresses". You could at least have done something about our concern, that you keep an archive of long gong user's email addresses.
If you think that we don't keep your (opt-in) registration email addresses you are even sillier.
What is a 'gong user' – I like percussion – especially brass percussion...
25-03 4.6
03:58:15 - 02-04
Kris at 17:46:29 on 31/03:
If there was a fair and easy way to distinguish whether you bought the DC with your own account for real-life money and have those credits carry over, that would be nice. But I doubt they can easily distinguish between credits on your account.
If there was a fair and easy way to distinguish whether you bought the DC with your own account for real-life money and have those credits carry over, that would be nice. But I doubt they can easily distinguish between credits on your account.
There has been some discussion about this between myself/crew/dev
We are trying to find a work-around to the challenge you accurately identify here.
25-03 4.6
03:56:30 - 02-04
Kris at 15:40:38 on 31/03:
I want to thank you Brando for coming here and responding to complaints/concerns people have.
I want to thank you Brando for coming here and responding to complaints/concerns people have.
That's my work-life balance. I do what I can, when I can.
Kris at 15:40:38 on 31/03:
While you and I have had our arguments in the past, its nice to see you active. My hope is that you'll continue to remain active in the community and not just when you're in search of money :)
While you and I have had our arguments in the past, its nice to see you active. My hope is that you'll continue to remain active in the community and not just when you're in search of money :)
I am always 'active' and all of this is for the company, its staff & the various projects we are involved in. I don't get the time I would like to to engage with players, but I always put in a 70+ hour week.
I'm not 'just here for the money' personally I could earn twice as much just 'working for someone else'. I do this because I love it.
And the crowd-funding bid is more than money these bids, properly supported raise a lot of interest and generate new players.
Kris at 15:40:38 on 31/03:
Was having a conversation with someone about lackeys and have a question for you. A lot of us accept that lackeys are here to stay and mostly have no issue with that. Is there however a chance that a discussion could be held for how to ensure manual rankers still retain an significant advantage?
Was having a conversation with someone about lackeys and have a question for you. A lot of us accept that lackeys are here to stay and mostly have no issue with that. Is there however a chance that a discussion could be held for how to ensure manual rankers still retain an significant advantage?
Yes, but please be patient, there is one of me & many people with an opinion.
Kris at 15:40:38 on 31/03:
Perhaps make lackeys 50% slower than manual rankers?
Perhaps make lackeys 50% slower than manual rankers?
This would instantly advantage scripts. Thanks for the suggestion but this is not a solution.
Kris at 15:40:38 on 31/03:
Crime/Car timers when running lackeys be 2/10 minutes respectively? Still allows for RP to be gained when sleeping/afk but allows for an advantage with those who play the game. If sluggs buys your bullets, make the timer 2 hours instead of 1? Just some thoughts bounced around. Thanks for your time.
Crime/Car timers when running lackeys be 2/10 minutes respectively? Still allows for RP to be gained when sleeping/afk but allows for an advantage with those who play the game. If sluggs buys your bullets, make the timer 2 hours instead of 1? Just some thoughts bounced around. Thanks for your time.
Same: scripters charter.
This must be addressed. IMHO the only way to do it is to keep throttling the script makers trade by offering the basics (crimes/cars) with parity and via lackeys.
Then big up the less-scriptable factors...
Anonymous at 19:38:28 on 31/03:
He will be gone for a few months again soon. As for your point, the MOMENT they give manual rankers any advantage the scripts will be back up and running.
He will be gone for a few months again soon. As for your point, the MOMENT they give manual rankers any advantage the scripts will be back up and running.
My bad for not reading first.... This 'Anonymous' is 100% correct.
I will try to keep my eye in & come here more often. I am just a busy fellow. Sorry for that!
Solstice at 12:33:33 on 01/04:
Add more things you need to do with a group maybe...
Add more things you need to do with a group maybe...
And yes you see *we are on the same page*
This can all be brought around. That is what we are working on...
25-03 4.6
03:54:59 - 02-04
Anonymous at 13:01:25 on 31/03:
Can you stop spitting this bullshit out?
Nobody gives a flying fuck about shooting the 'bottle', it doesnt add anything. Tiredness? Do you honestly believe people will play this game manual anymore?
Sapphire at 12:38:20 on 31/03:
remove tiredness bring back shooting bottle and then more ppl will play again fail admins :^
remove tiredness bring back shooting bottle and then more ppl will play again fail admins :^
Can you stop spitting this bullshit out?
Nobody gives a flying fuck about shooting the 'bottle', it doesnt add anything. Tiredness? Do you honestly believe people will play this game manual anymore?
I so wish that I could phrase this as emphatically on .com
+1 :D
24-03 Omerta for iOS / Android ?
07:18:23 - 01-04
I have to politely announce that I am getting to be too busy with the campaign to spend much time on here.
I would like to - once we are done with the build up.
Right now we are putting together a community pre-launch. This will determine how much we think we can ask for.
If you did not join already please *Like* Omerta Mobile and please invite your friends to do so.
Yes I find Facebook irritating too, but the devil took over so we all have to do business with...
*sigh*
Now forgive me I will have to get back to planning/journalists/1001 other things.
I will come back here and try to respond to questions and serious criticism/remarks etc.
Thanks
I would like to - once we are done with the build up.
Right now we are putting together a community pre-launch. This will determine how much we think we can ask for.
If you did not join already please *Like* Omerta Mobile and please invite your friends to do so.
Yes I find Facebook irritating too, but the devil took over so we all have to do business with...
*sigh*
Now forgive me I will have to get back to planning/journalists/1001 other things.
I will come back here and try to respond to questions and serious criticism/remarks etc.
Thanks
24-03 Omerta for iOS / Android ?
07:10:57 - 01-04
Redspeert at 22:20:34 on 27/03:
It what kinda country can you hire someone for 2k dollar a month? That is about 1500 euro a month (correct me if im wrong, I use neither of them). if we're talking 100% work then its either a lowcost country or a shitty pay.
MurderInc at 17:26:28 on 27/03:
you think you can hire an experienced developer for $2k/month? including taxes? not even close.
Jerro at 12:20:09 on 27/03:
Playerbase of 3.000 paying people per version (all versions), rough estimate is receiving $2,5 per DC? Reset every 2 months, players buy average of 5 DC's per version (which is low at best). 3 ppl employed (Brando, Bramble, kCode)? $2.000 per month (average)?
3000(players) * 2,5(dc) = $7.500
$7.500 * 5(average DC's) = $37.500
$37.500 / 2 (months) = $18.750 per month
$2.000 (salary) * 3 (employes) = $6.000
Whats left: $12.750 per month for upkeep and other payments. ($153.000 per year)
Even if u employ 6 people for $2.500 per month ($15.000 per month) u have $45.000 left per year for upkeep. Say ur upkeep is $5.000 per year (hosting, new hardware, PC's for employes) u have $40.000 left per year.
You say money has gotten smaller per version but lets say u have $40k per year left (eventho u have 6 ppl employed and paid decently and get a new PC every year) * 10 years = $400.000,-
Eventho money was better like 7-8 years ago.. ofc there are taxes, and i dont assume ur building up a pensions for these people but come on.. -_- you can buy an entire house and still have enough to create ur APP which will make triple the money.
You need $200.000, you can't atleast stake half of it?
Playerbase of 3.000 paying people per version (all versions), rough estimate is receiving $2,5 per DC? Reset every 2 months, players buy average of 5 DC's per version (which is low at best). 3 ppl employed (Brando, Bramble, kCode)? $2.000 per month (average)?
3000(players) * 2,5(dc) = $7.500
$7.500 * 5(average DC's) = $37.500
$37.500 / 2 (months) = $18.750 per month
$2.000 (salary) * 3 (employes) = $6.000
Whats left: $12.750 per month for upkeep and other payments. ($153.000 per year)
Even if u employ 6 people for $2.500 per month ($15.000 per month) u have $45.000 left per year for upkeep. Say ur upkeep is $5.000 per year (hosting, new hardware, PC's for employes) u have $40.000 left per year.
You say money has gotten smaller per version but lets say u have $40k per year left (eventho u have 6 ppl employed and paid decently and get a new PC every year) * 10 years = $400.000,-
Eventho money was better like 7-8 years ago.. ofc there are taxes, and i dont assume ur building up a pensions for these people but come on.. -_- you can buy an entire house and still have enough to create ur APP which will make triple the money.
You need $200.000, you can't atleast stake half of it?
It what kinda country can you hire someone for 2k dollar a month? That is about 1500 euro a month (correct me if im wrong, I use neither of them). if we're talking 100% work then its either a lowcost country or a shitty pay.
+1
I think that players/ex-players here are beginning to realise that we are not looking to rake in money for a speedboat and new shoes.
GOOD developers are NOT cheap.
Add that we need at least four (I want SIX) and we need someone VERY GOOD to manage those people (the rest of us are already 100% busy)
Then you can see why my estimated project costs of 200-250k are not totally crazy - but ofc this is an 'optimal cost' and if we MUST do it for less...
.... we will.
BTW if we get more money I may treat myself to a pair of nice Spats....
24-03 Omerta for iOS / Android ?
07:08:01 - 01-04
Solstice at 10:54:24 on 26/03:
'A group of players that you discuss with on a regular basis, like you had with aart, saros etc. Not just to discuss mayor changes, but to discuss ongoing affairs aswell.'
That group of players never spoke to Brando, we dealt with Kcode. We had come up with ideas to ensure longer versions and ways to make the game more fun for small families too (not being killskill practice or easy bait to boost account strength).
The most promising reaction we had on the ideas was 'oh nice we'll see what management has to say' ... after that nothing, I doubt Brando ever even read the plans.
I believe there is a so called 'user group' active since forever.... I've always wondered who is in the user group discussions, how communication goes there, what topics are discussed and above all... the frequency of the discussions.
'A group of players that you discuss with on a regular basis, like you had with aart, saros etc. Not just to discuss mayor changes, but to discuss ongoing affairs aswell.'
That group of players never spoke to Brando, we dealt with Kcode. We had come up with ideas to ensure longer versions and ways to make the game more fun for small families too (not being killskill practice or easy bait to boost account strength).
The most promising reaction we had on the ideas was 'oh nice we'll see what management has to say' ... after that nothing, I doubt Brando ever even read the plans.
I believe there is a so called 'user group' active since forever.... I've always wondered who is in the user group discussions, how communication goes there, what topics are discussed and above all... the frequency of the discussions.
This is a perennial problem which we tried (and I failed) to address.
Objective: community participation. Ownership. Representation. 'Democracy'
Obstacle: 1000s of people have a variety of opinions.
Method #1 'Forums/discussions'
Drawback: Dominated by opinionated and well-spoken people, they can be mislead too easily by personality and are *incredibly* time-consuming to monitor. At best you get a small percentage of the community 'really involved' and the rest gain the impression that they may have been deliberately ignored!
Method #2 'Votes'
Drawback: too top-down. Usually one individual chooses what can be voted on. That's not very democratic.
Actually for Method #1 'one person interprets' and for method #2 'sometimes elements of the community cheat'
USMS was supposed to be the fix for this but DG never had the time to fix it up as specified by me.
*I am now considering making USMS a pre-requisite of the app-design process*
- So we would have to build that properly first.
Aart at 13:08:54 on 27/03:
p.s. Brando, despite the fact that I feel your 'all of a sudden' presence on this forum/website is merely to gain sympathy and understanding for an app advertisement campaign (read fundraising), I'm glad you've finally decided to get into proper discussions with your community without the option to ban someone when they hit a soft spot.
p.s. Brando, despite the fact that I feel your 'all of a sudden' presence on this forum/website is merely to gain sympathy and understanding for an app advertisement campaign (read fundraising), I'm glad you've finally decided to get into proper discussions with your community without the option to ban someone when they hit a soft spot.
Thanks â of course it is driven by necessity â we *do* need the community's help â and I don't like banning people (I am more free-speech than most people and only draw the line at hate-speak)
Solstice at 13:36:43 on 27/03:
I kneu. Just saying, a bunch of experienced players exchanging thoughts with admins, devs whoever on a regular basis would be good. Only works when you actually do something with the input offcourse.
Also i see what you did there in that last sentence. Soft spot.... Cause he says he's fat.... :D
I kneu. Just saying, a bunch of experienced players exchanging thoughts with admins, devs whoever on a regular basis would be good. Only works when you actually do something with the input offcourse.
Also i see what you did there in that last sentence. Soft spot.... Cause he says he's fat.... :D
I'm on a diet actually *D
I will add a 'developers forum' to the crowd-funding bid. It won't be for tiny money â or too far out of the reach of anyone who plays consistently and used scripts/uses lackeys etc.
We will probably offer a 100% like-for-like voucher for DCs for those who back us â this is a gesture of faith and helps us to deflect the idea that we are just trying to 'coin it it'.
And setting the bar a little high for discussion excludes some of the time-wasters who might otherwise get involved.
We want one of the hires to be someone experienced who will administrate that forum and lead and shape the deve process.
We will probably also used a revitalised USMS.
NB.
I am reading as much as I can here, as often as I can, but I am only human and cannot possibly hope to commit a large part of each day to this.
Forgive me if I don't respond....
And try my again with a shorter version?
Thanks!
24-03 Omerta for iOS / Android ?
06:43:41 - 01-04
Anonymous at 23:10:42 on 27/03:
And still not even a newspost about this on .nl
Why should we care about your passion project if you cant even be arsed to write a newspost on your second biggest version?
Goodluck getting those 15k supporters you need from just .com!
And still not even a newspost about this on .nl
Why should we care about your passion project if you cant even be arsed to write a newspost on your second biggest version?
Goodluck getting those 15k supporters you need from just .com!
Well that's because there has been no official newspost, yet.
I made an impulsive one on .com and it was poorly-received. I will coordinate release of a 'proper' one today.
Thanks for the reminder!
25-03 4.6
09:11:05 - 28-03
Aart at 08:53:57 on 28/03:
Dodging a question 101.
I'll return the ball, what's up with the new feature?
And to be ahead of you, claiming bramble knows and you don't won't work here.
Dodging a question 101.
I'll return the ball, what's up with the new feature?
And to be ahead of you, claiming bramble knows and you don't won't work here.
Okay clarification. Sorry I was a bit too busy to take that in. Stupid because it is my own design.
This is what happens when you are 'as busy as a dog with two dicks' - as I am at present.
1. I offered news of this as a scoop to Sbanks 2 days ago. Told him all about it.
2. It is still in development but (fingers crossed) mostly done (have not seen it dare not guess)
3. It is a pyramidal rank point based referral scheme which gives:
a. Capos LESS RP from crimes and cars
b. Capos MORE RP from everyone in their regime
c. Everyone who refers other users into the game MORE RP from those referrals
d. And the second tier of referrals, referred by your own referrals
c. And the third tier
d. Not the fourth tier etc.
Why three tiers? Because that can stop the (obvious) dupe value of this gimmick for trying to get more people to play.
At present there is some discussion about how best to try to limit (note I don't say 'prevent' ) cheating. Probably with mobile phone validation and a rank limit (no RP from ES account etc)
BIG FAT BUT
We did not test this stuff yet and it may fail when we test it and not see the light of day. I hope that it does and that it works and that you like it.
Poor Bramble caught in the crossfire. My bad.
But like I said: since the reset she has actually been a bit unwell and should not be working on a PC monitor with here eyes. So forgive her for not following up.
Hope this helps.
o/
25-03 4.6
08:52:23 - 28-03
That's truly all I have time for today. I have been typing so fast that sparks are flying from the KB.
Can I ask you please to consider the proposition.
All talk of €£$200-300 whatever to one side.
It is just about raising:
1. Some.
2. As much as we can get.
So we can do the following:
1. Create 2 - 5 new jobs.
2. Breathe new life into Omerta.
3. Be successful and raise good, honest, hard-working people's wages.
Perhaps you will reflect upon this and my own frankness (I tried) in responding to as much as is written here.
And think...
... Yes I will help.
I hope so.
Steve
Can I ask you please to consider the proposition.
All talk of €£$200-300 whatever to one side.
It is just about raising:
1. Some.
2. As much as we can get.
So we can do the following:
1. Create 2 - 5 new jobs.
2. Breathe new life into Omerta.
3. Be successful and raise good, honest, hard-working people's wages.
Perhaps you will reflect upon this and my own frankness (I tried) in responding to as much as is written here.
And think...
... Yes I will help.
I hope so.
Steve
25-03 4.6
08:49:01 - 28-03
Redspeert at 00:33:50 on 28/03:
I think its nice and all, that you spend time, energy and money to make the game better. But there is a logical failure here. There is no way in the seven hell that a kickstarter will generate you 150,000 pounds(or dollars? Since you kinda change between using them...What currency are you actually talking about, brando?) from the playerbase. Considering .com has about 2,500 people acually playing, maybe 1/2 to 1/3 of them are active irc users that actually PLAY this game (I mean not logging in 2-3 times a week to check their lackeys) and manages to rank past soldiers. .NL Got about 1000 people playing, and I guess the active base is about the same ratio as .com. So here you got 2000 to 1500 people that are playing activly and are willing to spend time and money to get to brug and above. 150,000/2,000 = 75 euro/dollar/pund make your pick. If you belive each and everyone of us will donate 75 dollar you are high as a kite.
I think its nice and all, that you spend time, energy and money to make the game better. But there is a logical failure here. There is no way in the seven hell that a kickstarter will generate you 150,000 pounds(or dollars? Since you kinda change between using them...What currency are you actually talking about, brando?) from the playerbase. Considering .com has about 2,500 people acually playing, maybe 1/2 to 1/3 of them are active irc users that actually PLAY this game (I mean not logging in 2-3 times a week to check their lackeys) and manages to rank past soldiers. .NL Got about 1000 people playing, and I guess the active base is about the same ratio as .com. So here you got 2000 to 1500 people that are playing activly and are willing to spend time and money to get to brug and above. 150,000/2,000 = 75 euro/dollar/pund make your pick. If you belive each and everyone of us will donate 75 dollar you are high as a kite.
1. I wish I was high. I am just *busy*
2. This game is my life. I love it. We are 'in a transitional period, design-wise'
3. Indiegogo not Kickstarter I think. They are who I am talking to.
4. Whatever we raise we get 75% given as well by RGF £150k is just the ceiling. Why aim lower?
5. Crowd-funding = free promotion.
6. We have 50k people on Facebook and 2 million real email addresses. There are around 8-10k current players. I think we can do it but we need some help from people here.
7. I would rather that people who love the game bailed in for the price of a couple of DCs and to be honest we will probably offer a couple of DCs as the perk for doing so – so in actual fact we are not really asking for anything except your support!
Redspeert at 00:33:50 on 28/03:
If you are lucky maybe 40-50% of the active players will donate, and then we're talking about amounts from 1 dollar to maybe 30-40 dollar. I expect this kickstarter of yours to generate between 5k to 10k dollar unless some richass finds out he wants to give you some coins.
If you are lucky maybe 40-50% of the active players will donate, and then we're talking about amounts from 1 dollar to maybe 30-40 dollar. I expect this kickstarter of yours to generate between 5k to 10k dollar unless some richass finds out he wants to give you some coins.
8. I hope so! That would be awesome!
9. You are probably correct about the price points. We are studing that. It is hard to know what to give away with a f2p game (think about this) and I want to avoid hard perks which give people who can pay a strong advantage. Maybe get your likeness, drawn by Peter Anckorn in the game, maybe write a heist or ten. Maybe join a special dev forum. Tshirts are shitty are they not? Stickers my ass... Maybe an evening on the Piss in Hull with Paul?
10. If we can raise enough money to cover the new dev wages for a month like that it would be cool
But I still need you to back me.
So how about it, Mr Redspeert?
25-03 4.6
08:40:33 - 28-03
Nakketikker at 00:39:53 on 28/03:
May i ask why we are playing then ? why not stop this game for a couple of weeks and fix that part first.
Brando at 03:13:33 on 27/03:
Current game dynamics are not sustainable and the game's structure and economy need revision.
Mcgee at 02:46:20 on 27/03:
If they ever had a master plan for that, it's been done a while ago.
Manual rankers are just ghost faces from my virtual 1930s gangster past.
Never even seen their faces before, how could that even be true.
~William Mcgeespeare
Anonymous at 20:38:44 on 26/03:
lol the most useless version yet, within the first 48h of reset the game has crashed not once, not twice but three times.
Once again omerta spreads the butt-chicks of manual players and fucks them in the ass. Maybe its part of the admins master plan to get players to only use lackeys 24/7.
lol the most useless version yet, within the first 48h of reset the game has crashed not once, not twice but three times.
Once again omerta spreads the butt-chicks of manual players and fucks them in the ass. Maybe its part of the admins master plan to get players to only use lackeys 24/7.
If they ever had a master plan for that, it's been done a while ago.
Manual rankers are just ghost faces from my virtual 1930s gangster past.
Never even seen their faces before, how could that even be true.
~William Mcgeespeare
Current game dynamics are not sustainable and the game's structure and economy need revision.
May i ask why we are playing then ? why not stop this game for a couple of weeks and fix that part first.
Suggestion noted.
Maybe we should.
25-03 4.6
08:39:35 - 28-03
Anonymous at 01:38:20 on 28/03:
I quote from the other anon poster.
I encouraged people that felt they had been wronged, to complain to paypal for the dc's spent to get cash and buy of of jail constantly the first days.
Our way of saying we were outraged of the major midvers change, and the only way we felt we could actually be heard: Hurt the moneyflow.
-This earned me a ban from forums, and a personal mail from the allmighty Brando, where you said: "Dont encourage people to complain.
I banned you now, but if you dont stop you will receive a lot worse!" I responded to you in a polite manner, about my concerns about being threatened, and you responded:
"Then you clearly have no sence of humour". -Seriously, this is not how you talk your customers, where was it supposed to be funny for me to be banned and threatened?
(Yes, we feel like customers, since we pay for the game, and its not possible to play without "donation"codes. )
To me this qualifies as throwing a tantrum.
Kinda fits into the patterns of behavior you displayed over and over again in the past. So I take that guy's summary at face value.
Brando at 00:10:36 on 28/03:
I threw a tantrum? Did I?
Erm... not sure about that... remind me!
Anonymous at 12:22:58 on 27/03:
good call, but I called out Brando on his inability to cope with critique on the other threat.
Didn't know, he threw another tantrum again last version. But it does not really surprise me neither.
good call, but I called out Brando on his inability to cope with critique on the other threat.
Didn't know, he threw another tantrum again last version. But it does not really surprise me neither.
I threw a tantrum? Did I?
Erm... not sure about that... remind me!
I quote from the other anon poster.
I encouraged people that felt they had been wronged, to complain to paypal for the dc's spent to get cash and buy of of jail constantly the first days.
Our way of saying we were outraged of the major midvers change, and the only way we felt we could actually be heard: Hurt the moneyflow.
-This earned me a ban from forums, and a personal mail from the allmighty Brando, where you said: "Dont encourage people to complain.
I banned you now, but if you dont stop you will receive a lot worse!" I responded to you in a polite manner, about my concerns about being threatened, and you responded:
"Then you clearly have no sence of humour". -Seriously, this is not how you talk your customers, where was it supposed to be funny for me to be banned and threatened?
(Yes, we feel like customers, since we pay for the game, and its not possible to play without "donation"codes. )
To me this qualifies as throwing a tantrum.
Kinda fits into the patterns of behavior you displayed over and over again in the past. So I take that guy's summary at face value.
Thanks
I gave a detailed response below. Paypal are *trouble* for sellers. They freeze your cash (and earn interest on it for a whole year).
If I did not act to prevent that action I would not have been able to pay anyone. I try to be a responsible boss.
What would *you* have done, in *my* position?
Magic spells, maybe?
No tantrum - I just banned someone who was threatening our livelihood.
Don't forget:
1. We are mandated to act against cheating.
2. Everyone lost out.
3. No cheats and no action needed - blame the cheats, not us!
:-)
25-03 4.6
08:36:19 - 28-03
Anonymous at 01:40:41 on 28/03:
And yet .nl has been the redheaded stepchild ever since Massuvio quit.
It doesn't even have an dedicated VM anymore asides from Bramle who knows fuck all about the current state of the game, its playerbase or its longevity.
16 days after the final major war, and 9 days after the final cleanup war .nl crew decided to start a RoM running an entire week.
How on earth can you justify that lack of game insight from your (paid)moderators?
You guys used to say that resets costs players, which you ultimately backed out from.
You know what kills a game?
Boredom.
~20ish days of 'well this is done and over with' prolly lost you more players then resetting or even starting the RoM after the final war would have ever done.
If you claim .nl is that important/popular clean it up.
Get an VM dedicated to that version alone that cares to run it.
You prolly have to pay him/her for doing so but if you dont .nl will implode on itself eventually.
And only a small fraction has shown the willingness to transfer to .com in the past.
Brando at 00:08:52 on 28/03:
Nl = remains as popular as .com but I don't see you suggesting that we close .com
Nl = remains as popular as .com but I don't see you suggesting that we close .com
And yet .nl has been the redheaded stepchild ever since Massuvio quit.
It doesn't even have an dedicated VM anymore asides from Bramle who knows fuck all about the current state of the game, its playerbase or its longevity.
16 days after the final major war, and 9 days after the final cleanup war .nl crew decided to start a RoM running an entire week.
How on earth can you justify that lack of game insight from your (paid)moderators?
You guys used to say that resets costs players, which you ultimately backed out from.
You know what kills a game?
Boredom.
~20ish days of 'well this is done and over with' prolly lost you more players then resetting or even starting the RoM after the final war would have ever done.
If you claim .nl is that important/popular clean it up.
Get an VM dedicated to that version alone that cares to run it.
You prolly have to pay him/her for doing so but if you dont .nl will implode on itself eventually.
And only a small fraction has shown the willingness to transfer to .com in the past.
Suggestions noted.
RoM was supposed to do this job BTW.
So you all begged for crew to 'push the button' for years and then we GAVE you the button and you told us to take it away again...
...really!
i miss brando here
normal he comes here around reset time
Me too.
Only if he wants to collect more cash. I guess after his failed attempt to talk to his subjects to finance the mobile app, the king does not dare to show his head again.
Financing the mobile app is failed? Not at all. I did some rabble-rousing and behind the scenes we have been busy raising cash. We took on two new developers who are being 'worked-in', in our Lisbon office.
You may see some changes in the Pt version, being tested?
NB. Because a crowd-funding bid takes about 2 months public, it takes at least three months in total. We are mindful to run that in September because several key people will take a summertime vacation.
Latest work is that a video is being made. It is at an early stage and we are learning a lot.
The King is busy with technical things. I am the jester and I make the coffee - but I usually have the King's ear, when necessary.
Truth be told, when we first began trying a crowd funding bid we thought we might have to run it immediately. That would not have been fun or successful.
Afterall, the French revoltuion has taught us one thing. Brando should be happy his head is still stuck in some unspecific body part of his, and not lying in a basket next to him.
Oh you anonymous mud-slingers. So brave. So 'part of the crowd'. Wow.
I wonder which crew member will say the equivalent to Marie Antoinette's 'Let them eat cake' (if they can't afford bread)
Shut your cakehole and give Omerta your bread.